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Theresa is part of the shadow courtEdit

She's the one in the middle,same shape and everything.--Who needs a user name? 18:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

PICZ OR IT DIDN'T HAPPENZ!!!!! No, jk. I think that you are trying to find a solution a little too hard. All will be revealed... -Dex 15:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't need picz just fable 2 :)-----Unknown.

Time for a new argument methinks...its already starting up...........:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown-Undead, (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

If you're planning to cause trouble, don't. There are now active administrators here to ban troublemakers. I hope that you don't take that as a threat; instead, take it as a warning. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about the top where there are some words in caps.--Unknown-Undead, 20:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

That comment was made on over 12 days ago; it is unlikely to develop into an argument. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is archive 1 still here?You did not have to start a new page just because of that argument you could have just deleated the argument part and left the rest.--Who needs a user name? 17:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe that it's important to save information, discussions, debates, and decisions in a place that easily accessible; that's what we do at Wikipedia and Wookieepedia, and I don't see any reason to not do it here. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The point of archives is to keep a record of all information just in case the information needs to be used in the future. That argument might come into play if (let's hope not) Michael was to be called for a reconfirmation of his adminship or for many other reasons. Talk information can be very important information for future events :). --Shadowphoenix 19:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I have a question, now that we know that Reaver is immortal because of the deal he made, how is it that theresa is still alive? She is at least 200 years older that Reaver, whats her secret. Unsigned comment by Cantseemeinthedark (talk • contribs).

Some of the more powerful heroes (like Scythe) have found a way to become immortal, it is automatically assumed that Theresa discovered how to do this as well. --Shadowphoenix 17:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I just read that argument and I cracked up with laughter! User:Michaeldsuarez did you know you threatened User:The king of the guild with Blueberrie pies? Anyway as for Theresa being Immortal I believe its because of the Archon's bloodline?--Unknown-Undead, 12:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As seen in this edit, The king of the guild inserted the blueberry pie statement into my comment; I just left it there since I thought it was funny. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 14:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Funny? That was legendary! Now on to topic, is Theresa immortal because of the Archons bloodline? Or did she get her immortality elsewhere as the oracle said she got a device that teleported her half way around the world..who knows what she did there and what she found, maybe we will find out in Fable III as I doubt we will meet Theresa again in a DLC.--Who needs a user name? 19:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that if Theresa is ageless it is quite possible that she survived the Hero of Oakvale's strike when he gained the sword of Aeons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.82.142.13 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

She's not ageless; she's an old lady; therefore, she ages. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 21:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Shes actually 512 in Fable 2 id be guessing , about the being evil from the middle of Fable 2 I kept getting an uneasy feeling about HER her tone her stance and each time she closes her mouth she smiles her eyes were cut out wich could make her angry she does have will power making her an outcast but truly i dont think shes evil I think shes very corrupt yet nuetral in alignment it will be questonable though till Fable 3------Banshee_Killer

she's sexy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swordbane85 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I wnated to marry her in fable1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swordbane85 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

her clothes is completely similar with Jack of Blades besides the whole metal armor thing, its kinda suspicious, what says that he never died?--DarkSaint14 00:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

i dont thinkshe is evil if you listin very carefull she dose care about the hero and as a note she is alot like kreia who would kill the galaxy to preserve the Jedi exile. Theresa is just a woman who wants to preseve her brothers desenteded. And anouther thing she dosnt look that old you cant even see her whole face with the hood. And if you guys are really that dence the devolpopers probly wanted to cause aome fun and anouther note the voices and body shape are men the shadows have deep male voices and if it was even posible they proboly wanted to have a easter egg. --Theresa The Seer 18:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)Theresa The Seer

She isn't evil. If you kill a few people in the gypsy camp at the beginning of Fable II when you get the sword and crossbow from the chest she makes a speech about how wrong and bad you were (I can't remember exactly what she says). --Big-Hype 19:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever you'd like to argue either way, the game does go out of it's way for you to be suspicious of Theresa. See the Future even reveals her as Murgo's supplier. She may not be entirely evil--clearly she didn't want Albion destroyed--but she's not a saint, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HelterSkelter (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Theresa IS NOT part of the shadow court. It just so happens that the one in the middle has the same stance and look and body structure as she does. Simple as that. JerryWiffleWaffle 00:32, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


It more than likeley that lionhead just reused her model as a placeholder and didnt want to make a completely unique model (or maybe its a conspiracy and they did intentionally to fuck with our minds those crafty bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol couldnt resis :P). Aleksandr the Great 00:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

She may or may not be. It may even be that she being one of the most powerful figures in Albion had a shadow powerful enough to lead the shadow court. It also could be that all members of the family or the powerful ones have a shadow. It also could be that the extremly powerful ones could turn back and forth between their real form and the purely visible one as can the leader of the shadow temple. Legendstormcrow 23:22, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Its nothing more then a coincidence that she and the shadow court leader look the same. The Shadows aren't peoples shadows come to life, they are purely an entirely different creature. And the leader of the Temple of Shadow couldn't change freely he had to undergo a long and dark ritual to get to be a shadow.Alpha Lycos 23:41, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

She is not they look similar and the shadow court have to sacrafice there human body to be a shadow and she has her body and her white eyes is the will

more theresa facts below


It is the same theresa coz she remembers Oakvale as it once was, which has been dead for 200 years. She knows a lot about the Hero's Guild, which has also been dead and gone for centuries. One of the loading screen messages hints that they're one and the same, as well I highly doubt they would have chosen the name Theresea for a blind seeress unless they intended it to be the same blind seeress from fable one. They would have given her a different name if they wanted any doubt as to her identity.

The book nazgl5 refers to does not say the hero killed Theresea, it says he wielded the sword of aeons against jack of blades. However, this same book says accounts of the hero and his deeds vary widely and are unreliable, so it basically effaces itself.

she lives forever because she is an archon like scythe(scythe is william black ,roses and heros ancestor) (scythe could be william black coz he's an archon like scythe also william black survived the void so he would look weird and scary like scythe)

also The canon ending to Fable one was that you obtained the Sword of Aeons. Which means you killed her. But at the same time, it is also speculated that Avo's Tear, the sword you get if you throw away the sword is another form of the sword. With that in mind, the hero could have gained the 'Sword of Aeons' in it's good form, Avo's Tear, and not killed Theresa.

theresa is not a shadow court person they just look alike unless you believe the whole theresa evil conspiracy

look up william black on fable wiki

look up archon on fable wiki

and other things you dont understand by the way it is like real history noone knows what the real answers are (besides lionhead studios)

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Her eyesEdit

Like user:lloydie2006 just put in why does she have white eyes when her eyes are cut out?--XxKanin 00:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It's called a retcon. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 14:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I guess it would be cooler than a wrap around her head...She should wear funky 80s glasses.--XxKanin 01:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
It's possible she's creating an optical illusion to make it look like she has eyes, but really doesn't. DesertLynx83 22:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

They could be made of glass. 86.145.237.98 14:42, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


It could also have something to do with the shadow court as another shadow has white eyes (the shadow priest guy) when in is human form. Legendstormcrow 23:21, September 10, 2010 (UTC)LegendStormcrow

Problem though. The leader of the Temple of Shadow sacrificed his body to become shadow. He was purely human before. And through a long and dark ritual became shadow. I agree with Michaeldsuarez that its a retcon.Alpha Lycos 23:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ever seen Pirates of the Carribean? Or any of those other older movies? Even as far back as the 12th century they had "glass eyes" (sometimes made of marble!) for people who were missing eyes and did not want to wear a cover or patch. She could easily have been given or started using fake eyes in the FIVE HUNDRED YEARS between Fable 1 and 2 and the 50 years of 3. - 15.195.201.90 00:40, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

VisitsEdit

If she says, "This is Oakvale, although it has changed a lot since I was here last," where has she last been for the last 500 years? I also wonder if she did anything to help her brother. She is a seeress after all, so she could have foreseen the uprising of the attacks against the heroes. Even if she didn't like the Heroes, i am pretty sure she would've told her brother so he could be prepared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.27.9 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

You have the dates all messed up. The events of the original Fable took place around 500 years ago while the Fall of the Guild took place 300 years ago. Also, it wouldn't be an interesting game if the developers had to fill every loophole. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 00:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
She can foresee events. doesn't necessarily mean she can change them.--Vaile 02:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Haven't you read the tales of albion? There is an account from a young hero during the fall of the guild, and this hero saw The Hero of Oakvale. Wouldn't be 300 years ago. It's said that the destruction of Oakvale was 200 years before the events of Fable II and Theresa probably doesn't visit often because it's where she had her eyes cut out and her family & friends slaughtered.


Voice ActressEdit

On the trivia in this page it says that Theresa is voiced by the same actress as Darth Kreia is. This is not true, Kreia is voiced by actress Sara Kestelman. They sound similar, but they are not voiced by the same person, this should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.51.149 (talkcontribs)

Go ahead and change it then. --JonTheMon 21:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way (This doesn't have to do with Fable), at unregistered contributor, her alias is Kreia, but her real sith name is Darth Traya. You kind of mixed up the names.

MerlinEdit

I'm noticing what seems to be a direct parallel between Fable II Theresa and Merlin of the Arthurian legends. Anyone else see this? Anyone think this was intentional? --Vaile 02:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe England was called Albion at the time these legends supposedly occured. Make of that what you will. But yes, they do seem to both guide a hero to greatness from a lowly beginning. Adam 148 13:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
See wikipedia:Albion. It's usually considered the name given to England by the Celts or the Romans. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 15:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The land in which Camelot resided in was named Albion so it is likely. Also in the first Fable they had the sword in the stone which leads more to the Arthurian legends. - Alpha Lycos

I don't see the similarity's between Theresa and Merlin, other than the fact they are guide's. If that's all your basing it on, then Navi from the Legend of Zelda and Theresa are similar aswell. 81.156.100.98 09:49, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well i think theyre both slightly similar as they can both be manipulative at times (I cant remember the exact thing merlin did but i rem it was kinda manipulative) plus they both liv much longer than the average person

addmittedly, Peter molyneux did roughly base Fable 1 on King Arthur and fairy tales, but I don't think the similarities between Merlin and Theresa are that huge. No offence. And please sign your comments Dellcath 08:12, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Robe?Edit

What's this 'Theresa Robe' business? When has Theresa been referred to as anything but Theresa? Adam 148 09:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that he got the name from her mother, Scarlet Robe. That may just be her hero name though and as it is uncomfirmed, I have reverted it back to Theresa. Solar Dragon (Talk) 09:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm quite sure "Scarlet Robe" was a name she earned rather than the name she was born with. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 15:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought that too. That's why I decided to bring this up. Adam 148 15:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I would say it is like a super hero name or more likely a title. I doubt her name is actually Scarlet Robe. Solar Dragon (Talk) 15:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd say it is very likely to be a title. I highly doubt names like Whisper and Maze are birth names. There may be some exceptions to this rule, but because she actually wears a scarlet robe, I'd say it's a title. Adam 148 15:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think any of the heroes used their real names. Reaver, for example, isn't his real name

you find that out if you buy his house. Hammer, isn't her real name it's Hannah. I think Garth is the only hero that uses his real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big-Hype (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Notes section Edit

I think that article may be more properly referred to as "She's Probably Evil" section, since that's what it seems devoted to. I'm going to clean it up, and I think the name should be altered as well, to those who want to alter it. HelterSkelter 19:53, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Theresa Edit

Has anyone noticed that the first theresa was blind, because she had no eyes? has no one thought of that? yes they may be glass or something but doubt that she would have got them, shejust doesnt seem like she would to me... -=(Yes, i have noticed what you stated. She is blind due to the bandit raid from your childhood. In a gaming magazine and lionhead website states that Fable 2 starts 500 years after the Original Fable and that people have lost the value of Heroes and Magic and resort more towards technology (Which explains the rifles). Back to the fact okay it states that Theresa becomes ageless and i don't believe it explains her eyes but in the Original Fable TLC, If you talk to the Oracle or Oracles statue it tells you that Theresa went with a great will user up in the hills after you spare her life, after defeating Jack, anyways she goes to the hills meets this will user and i believe it says that the will user tries to preform a ritual and tries to take her prophetic powers, doing so she kills him. That is all. also i believe knowing that she had prophetic powers must mean she had (Will) and having Will she could possibly have casted a spell that gave her eyesight through magic explaining the cool glowing white eyes!)=-

In the first Fable Theresa only had her eyes cut not cut out. They were damaged enough to stop her being able to see. It is possible that over time her eyes lost their color and became white. - Alpha Lycos

They did cut OUT her eyes, the guildmaster says in the cutscene "so they cut out her eyes"—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotshot87 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~


Maybe Theresa has powers that let her see things in a different way to other people. For example, maybe she sees things the way Neo sees them in Matrix: Revolution after he is blinded. Maurovean3 04:09, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why?Theresa!Edit

There would be no point in that and if you did not kill her she would use a device off the will user to go half way around the world.She killed him with knifes like she did with the bandits,the only powers she has is seeing into the future and she is blind.However she can see other worlds.Now Theresa is the one from the first,but why did they bring a dead charater back?

Despite people saying they can do what they want,they can't really it's like saying in the elder scrolls V that all heroes of the past and the man/women who stoped the oblivion gates from opening every where,were all good and diden't do any thing else,the history of the universe of elder scrolls says diffrent though,saying that these people may have did diffrent deeds too.

So if the fable series makes sure that they continue due to good endings then the series moto choose your destiny a carve your fate in the world is all wrong,they shoulden't have brought theresa back,and they could have put in the hero of oakvale book that he may have killed his sister or not.

So they've brought theresa back without an explanation,and that's not really good.What will they say in Fable III?The hero had a sex change?The hero saved the dog?It makes all other endings fake,and they should do stuff about the past like:We are not certain how this hero looked.But they won't proberly and this is what will ruin the fable series.--Who needs a user name? 13:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)The king of the guild


According to the loading screen blurbs, the Hero defeated the Jack of Blades and murdered the Hero Guildmaster, carving YOUR HEALTH IS LOW in his forehead. He also wielded the Sword of Aeons, meaning he "killed" Theresa (or else was using Avo's Tear, which looks a lot like the Sword). A series creator can choose which endings they choose to make canonical in a sequel, regardless of any relatively flexibility given to the player's choices. More importantly, they don't have to explain anything to the player. Something clearly happened between killing Palgan, fleeing to Samarkand and the five centuries since. Theresa is apparently a powerful Will user and she sees "other worlds" so perhaps those aren't eyes - Garth, the Hero of Will, happens to have a white orb in one eye socket that looks just like her's. Just remember that the games are called "Fable" - any event depicted in the game could simply be considered the folklore of Albion. So there is no canon no matter what choices you make.

On the other hand, this isn't the Talk:Theresa page. It's the Talk:Scythe page. So why are we debating Theresa? Atypicaloracle 01:38, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

"Carving YOUR HEALTH IS LOW in his forehead" is a joke/Easter Egg by the game developers. It's a humorous reference to the original Fable. It isn't meant to be taken seriously. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 22:13, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. I guess that the Hero just got fed up of the Guildmaster telling him that all the time. Yes, I know my health is low. I do have eyes. No need to keep telling me. :) ☆The Solar Dragon (talk)☆ 05:25, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

One thing I have noticed is that when you first enter the Chamber of Fate, Theresa says: No man alive remembers the might of the Heroes Guild. It could be possible that shes dead but has returned as like a solid ghost or something. Or maybe even shes an undead. If this theory is true it could mean that the Hero of Bowerstone did in fact use the Sword of Aeons thus killing Theresa. --Alpha Lycos 01:47, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I think you maybe taking that comment a little to literally. If that were the case we would also have to assume that Scythe is dead, something which I believe we can all agree he isn't based on Rose's letter. Phil 01:54, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Rose's letter doesn't actually say that it is Scythe. Also could it not be possible that he is very much like Theresa in my theory? It could very much be possible that they were killed and due to their high levels of Will they were able to return to the world. But as I said this is merely a theory that would allow the mention of the Hero using the Sword of Aeons to be accurate. --Alpha Lycos 01:59, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Scythe is undead, not dead. ♥Lydia♥ 01:14, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

mayby she is a hollow woman ( hollow men have these blue glowing eyes and ellders have wight eyes so she may be an elder one)

Theresa's status Edit

Shouldn't Theresa's status be Hero, not human? Or are they the same thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Complier (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

They are all humans. Heroes are just gifted humans. ☆The Solar Dragon (Talk)☆ 21:27, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Then how come Theresa isn't on the Heroes template at the bottom of other main hero characters page?86.165.251.11 16:32, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Theresa is not a Hero. She may be a gifted seer, but that does not make her a Hero. Cadus 19:12, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
She slew many bandits in her youth, and the her being a seer is will, and she has the Archon's immortality, I say that she is a hero. Agow95 19:24, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

TiresiasEdit

tiresias was a man in greek legend that was turned into a woman and then back again years later, but thats not important. what is possibly notable is that when remarking on who enjoyed sex the most to the greek gods (again, irrelivent) he was struck blind by either zeus or his wife (it changes like most ancient legends) but was gifted with the power of foresight by the other. the correlation is that he/she was struck blind by a god while theresa's eyes were cut out by jack (whos says hes more powerful than a god) and both then gained prophetic powers, tiresias by another god and theresa's were simply enhanced by her loss of sight. anyway, i just thought it was interesting to note.Kre 'Nunumee 23:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

The names don't sound very similar and "Theresa" is a real name; I don't think it's worth mentioning. Blind prophets are nothing new. HelterSkelter 00:05, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Slight problem with this theory. Theresa had her prophetic powers before her eyes were cut out as she knew the Hero of Oakvale would bring her chocolates. And if you find her diary she writes about visions and such. Plus she knew the village would be destroyed. And they only got enhanced by the Spire. Nice try though :) Alpha Lycos 11:31, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

She may be old but she doesnt look like it...suspicious? Edit

I dont wanna start some conspiracy thing but doesnt she seem a bit youthfull? From what i see no wrinkles!and she's got the body of the hero in some slouch position! it doesnt add up...she lives in oakvale and disappears after the end of the first game WELL i can make up 2 stories...enjoy :]

1. Her and reaver turned partners slaughtered every thief and accidently got everyone for youth cause they knew they needed to be around for the next heroes (though reaver had fun while he as at it.) Theresa manipulated Logan lets say like lucien and killed the hero of bowerstone and aimed for th child thinking he was good they turned evil etc...but a child survived its you etc...and you go in your parents tomb (bowerlake chamber of fate and researect them they tell you truth.)

i know stupid ridiculous and hopefully will NEVER happen...but this is even more ridiculous....

2. she went back to oakvale hooked with reaver (he mentioned a lover in oakvale) and since the wholeplace got cursed she made some odd deal with the shadow court....letting her see in a way and being basically immortal out of all things i wanna see the hero of oakvale! well reaver moves on and she gets some hooded disguise to get revenge or something...through....THE HEROES!

they both suck but the point is its odd....anyone got any clues or hints maybe idea's to this theresa makes me suspicious all these traits and actions are common to the bad guys. lol hopefully im not the only one getting this. ~Gotlex? :] 07:59, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Theresa is certainly suspect for being a villain. Fandom strongly suspects she's got an ulterior motive. HelterSkelter 09:05, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Reaver's lover was killed by the shadow court, and her immortality is a mystery. as for her 'vision' its just her using her prophetic powers simlar to how she could 'read' lucien's diary. she most likely had almost nothing to do with the shadow court, lion head was simply lazy or busy so they reused theresa's model for the shadow king.
and she does look it, if she had the shadow court return her youth, she wouldnt be an old bat, shed be just as young looking as reaver.Kre 'Nunumee 10:24, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

She is of the archon bloodline so she can live forever remember? and her enhanced power of will probably keeps her looking somewhat young-- AwesomeGordo 10:32, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Role in Fable IIIEdit

I wonder if her role in fable III will be as large as in fable II, all we know is that she guides you along the road to rule, and I don't see how else she can help, I mean escaping from your homicidal brothers castle and rising against him isn't really something I'd need some blind old woman to tell me to do. Agow95 09:37, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


Depends if the Hero of Bowerstone told the hero of Fable III if they are a hero or not. If not Theresa will probably do that again. Or she'll teach you about Will. Dellcath 16:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Good point, she would be the tutor/teacher person, but she would still be cryptic about it, and that really annoys me. Agow95 18:03, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Theresa is first, and I think up till now still only, seen at the road to rule. Which is supposedly a metaphoric place that poses as your life experience and visual progress to becoming king.

Also the road to rule has a connection with the heroes guild (hence the guild seals) and who knows more about the guild than Theresa? Yeh, except for sythe.

SO, I think her role would be the guide in the road to rule, the guide in achieving your goals. Much like fable 2 actually. but it leaves us with the question. Why?

why is the hero of fable 3 so important to her? Is it because of aurora? and why would she get control of the spire only so she could show the hero of bowerstone the future, his child. When al she does is just watch how the hero of bowerstone (presumably) gets killed by his child. why?!

85.145.139.35 11:31, September 5, 2010 (UTC)Melchior

Relatonship with her brothers desentendts Edit

Does any non hating Theresa fan think that she saved the hero of bowerstone out of love for her brother i mean like when the her o is is the spire for ten years she takes care of his dog and if you slaughter all the gypsys in the begining she gets mad at you so i dont know why peopel think she is evil. if she was evil she would have let the hero of bowerstone die from their injurys. She aslo says at the end of Fable II "Take care, Little Sparrow, and remember I am always here, always watching." I also think that the death of rose was unavoidable so i kinda think she is good yet corupt.DeirdreKent101 17:08, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Non hating Theresa fan? That's me. Yes, what you said is a possibility. She does do a lot of good things as well as a lot of "potentially morally grey" things. Good but corrupt I think is a fair description. --Enodoc(Talk) (User Space) 18:34, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
She could be helping her brothers desendents out of love for her brother and keeping her family line alive might be a posablity DeirdreKent101 20:51, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
The flaw in the argument that she saved the hero's life out of kindness is that she was the one who put his and Rose's life in danger, she sold Murgo the box knowing that only Rose and Sparrow could work it as descendants of the Archons, and with her foresight she knew what lucien would do, She planned it all out, but on a plus side you wouldn't have become king if she hadn't (albeit you are killed by your son, so she still has alot to answer for) Agow95 15:32, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I don't personally hate her, really. Just feel used. I do think that she orchestrated everything (debating on whether or not she had Helena and Amelia killed) so as to obtain the Spire, and most would agree. BUT, she's looking for something, and probably believes that no one will understand it, or appreciate it's severity, thus the manipulation. Good? I'd say it's too soon to tell, really, since we don't know what kind of future she's guiding Albion towards. Corrupt, more than likely. She used Sparrow for her own ends, and will probably use the Hero of Fable III in a similar fashion.---DianaP 24.206.193.160 20:41, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Relation to the Hero of Bowerstone Edit

Becase in fable 2 Theresa is like the Hero of Bowerstones great great great great (you get the point) grandfather Theresa is like the Hero of Bowerstones ant or something. This should give Theresa a sort of motherly connetion to him and maybe that is why for exampel she yells at you when you kill those people in the begining.

Link about TheresaEdit

I have a feeling most of u have already seen this, but its a slightly interesting link86.152.173.50 14:53, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

it cant be the blood because the magic power of the blood line she gave to the hero in the first game. also, she cant have been in fable two because you kill her in number one to get the sword. finally about the jack of blades being inmortal, he only stayed alive by putting his dark power into the ask until he became the dragon in tlc then he died like in lord of the rings with the ring. so i beleve that the only reason theresa is alive is because of a reincarnation. or another option is like in number two when you bring lady gray to life, maby the owner befor the man you help rose theresa from the grave and she got dark powers. why do you think she wanted the spire.

Im sick and tired at all this talk about Theresa being evil, i think that she does the things she does because she nows how to protect Albion AND wants to protect albion and help the Hero of Bowerstone, not because some dark motive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.212.248 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I think she's hot. No wrinkles at all. Her boobs don't sag at all and her curves are great. Her voice gets me hard everytime. :D Who remembers rule 34? I hope it proves true for Theresa. *fap*

The Fable canon is that the hero didn't kill Theresa yet somehow kept the sword too. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 09:15, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
I think that the loading screen in fable II which says "I'm so sick of the lack of consistency in our historical records, sometime I think historians just make it all up" implies that certain books in fable II are inaccurate, like how it says he got the sword of Aeons, plus there is the theory that because Avo's tear looks so much like the sword of aeons that historians don't know which sword he uses, and I don't agree with the theory that Theresa was ressurected because nothing hints at or suggests this at all. Agow95 17:19, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Crawler Knew About Theresa Edit

I thought it was worth mentioning that the Crawler does talk about Theresa when you're fighting the 'Children' in Shadelight Dungeon. He says, "Didn't the Blind Seeress tell you about us?" or something of the like. This could perhaps be because of Logan if it was somehow revealed to the Crawler how he knew about the pending attack of 'darkness' and subsequently abandoned Aurora. It could also be seen as mocking if he did in fact know that Theresa had told Logan of her impending attack.

Still, either way, I thought it was interesting and was suprised not to find it in notes or trivia.

67.142.166.23 11:23, November 2, 2010 (UTC)Unregistered

Its not in because its speculation. It would be like putting "The crawler had known Walter before this as it knew about him being trapped in a cave" even though this is speculation. Plus the crawler could easily be able to see into peoples hearts and souls or something and learned from that about how Theresa was a future seeing blind seer. Or it could know all about every blind person in the world. We don't know enough to put that in the article. Alpha Lycos 11:39, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

True, true, but then again, wasn't the Crawler sort of... spelunking through his esophagus moments before? But I do see your point. It is interesting, though.

67.142.166.23 12:24, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actually when it spoke of Walter being trapped in a cave it was just after Walter was trapped in the goo but not possessed by the Crawler itself. And it also knew things about the Hero without doing that to him/her Alpha Lycos 12:26, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was referring to, as the goo is under the command of the Crawler (apparently). I can't help but find it curious all the same, especially considering the dark rumors abound about Theresa. Something to ponder.

67.142.166.23 14:15, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Final Goal Edit

So me and two friends have Fable III and we started talking about the second. On the part where its said in Luciens diary that a blind women came to him and told him to build the spire. Well we came up with this.


In Fable II it is said that Theresa told Lucien to build the spire. Perhaps it wasn't only to gain the spire but she had seen what would happen to Albion if The Crawler took over. Without the spire there would be no need for the Hero of Bowerstone. Without the Hero of Bowerstone, the Hero of Brightwall would have never been born. Without the Hero of Brightwall no one could stop The Crawler, and the world would be devoid of color and life.

Its copy pasta of what I added to triva monday afternoon. Its not a fact, but not every thing in Triva is so i thought it fine to place it there.


What do you guys think?


Bloodwolf777 17:37, December 1, 2010 (UTC)Bloodwolf777


maybe,but then her job is done and she won't reappear in fable IVThibautB 20:41, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

If I recall correctly she didn't tell him to build the spire. She came to him in a dream while he was building the spire.--Alpha Lycos 04:44, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Book about descendant Edit

How do we know the book speaks of Sparrow? It could also be about the Hero of Brightwall. Or a future game could have it revealed that the Heroes of Fable II and III aren't related. We don't know the truth about this meaning. It could also be an easter egg. To me it seems to speak about either Hero of Brightwall or a future descendant. --Alpha Lycos 03:54, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

wat the crap are u talking about? "the heroes of fable 2 and 3 aren't related". wat the hell are you smokin, boy? how bout you listen to wat lionhead means when they say that the hero of fable 2 and 3 are father and son, and don't go runnin around sayin "the heroes of fable 2 and 3 aren't related." jesus!

Try thinking of it instead of insulting a person. A simple mistake in typing and you go acting like I killed the president. I meant aren't related to the Hero of Oakvale. And they never said they was father/son they said they are parent/child gender is up to the player. --Alpha Lycos 06:35, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
ya they are. listen to wat teresa says, boy, and then yer'll no.
There is no proof they are of the same bloodline. Simple as that. Just because she said "Forebear" about the Hero of Oakvale doesn't mean shes saying they are related. --Alpha Lycos 06:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
alright, boy, incase u didnt no; forebear: well, i aint gonna look it up, but it means soemone who bore something before u, in this case the family name. got that, boy?
Yea sure I'll let you have your way to stop your raging. Just one last thing: If they are a Hero could it not be possible that the only link for the forebear is the Heroic status? Anyway enjoy getting your way and avoid the raging in the future, makes you seem more mature. --Alpha Lycos 06:54, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
alright, boy, ill see u later, hav fun playin with yer little barbies. and i aint ragin, im sittin here lafin @ u, actin all pathetic. and one lat thing: hero = archons bloodline = all heroes related. how du ya like dem apples, boy?
Ok seems you brought something else up that needs fixing. If all Heroes are related there is serious inbreeding going on in that case. Just because they are a Hero doesn't mean they are all related to the Archon. Its been proven many times on this wiki and on the Lionhead sites for Fable. And you are raging because I accidentally missed out a bit of a sentence and you started on about how my IQ must be low for that type of thing. Have fun trying to prove that all Heroes are related to the Archon without the need for inbreeding, cause I know you will try. --Alpha Lycos 07:12, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
alright boy, heres how it works: hero + hero = full hero. hero + normal person = hero of one particular skill. simple as pie. thats y there are only 3 known full heroes, okay boy? i hope ur underdeveloped mind can understand that, and btw, u havin fun wiith yo barbies? aha.
Going by your theory you just mentioned that would mean that by the time of the Hero of Bowerstone, heck even the Hero of Oakvale, everyone in Albion would be a Hero of at least one attribute. And would mean that those with all 3 are brought on from inbreeding. And please keep things civil, its your uncivility that has made me contact an admin about your attitude. --Alpha Lycos 07:27, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
You're a Странно грудного ya no? also, ya ever hear of teh right of free speech? and, also, here's also what could happen, boy: half hero + hero = full hero or half hero + half hero = full hero. so it ain't in breeding, boy/грудного. shees, hope ur little barbie dolls herd that, ur probably gonna use em to study, boy/грудного.




I don't even speak that language so doesn't phase me. As for your theory they would still be related as you claim all heroes are related so even just half hero + half hero would still be family breeding since they would have come from the same bloodline. --Alpha Lycos 07:39, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so its family breeding, big deal, the red necks do it, according to science all humans originated from some african chick, so if thats tru then even us people are family breeding, boy/грудного. u honestly dont no much u better start askin yo barbies day r proably smarter than you boyo/грудного
This guy seems to be really interested in barbies, for some reason. Anyway, allow me to answer your question with some sort of sense involved. I'm pretty sure the Hero of Oakvale was one of the last heros to posess all three abilities, hinting that he is the father since the HoBowerstone and HoBrightwall both can control all three abilities. While i'm sure Inbreeding is possible, I think the HoO just came from a specialized line of heros, who only bred with other heros. 71.3.180.155 20:29, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
Problem with your theory, since Scarlet Robe married Brom who was a common woodcutter and had no heroic blood yet her son has all 3 attributes.--Alpha Lycos 01:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think a Hero of three traits is that rare. As I have mentioned, the trials to become a Hero invole a test of Skill, Strength and Will. So why would they set the bar so high unless most Hero's of the time could master the three traits and after a huge massacre and 500 years, the Hero blood became rarer. And genetics don't work like that, whoever the idiot is who doesn't sign his post. Brown eyes + blue eyes doesn't make something in the middle, the dominant gene takes over. For example, The Hero of brightwall is a "Full Hero" whereas Logan isn't a Hero at all:

H+N = H full Hero. n+n = not hero
That probably not the best way of explaining it to someone, but it makes more sence as far things go. There is no such thing as a Half Hero. You are either a Hero or not, and if you are a hero, you are either a powerfull one or not. You are still a Hero if you are slightly stronger, slightly faster and can make a tiny bit of static with your fingers. It doesn't make you half a hero, it just makes you unlucky. Dellcath 23:03, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think we're delving too much into genetics for this. Being born a hero seemed more magic and mythos based than scientific. We do know that regular heroes can be taught one or two of the three attributes, but only the family line of Archon are able to successfully wield and strengthen all three at once. I'm of a firm mind that all offspring from the line are able to utilize all three, but only if they are able to unlock it all. Rose obviously didn't and I don't think Logan even tried -- at least with Will. He may know Strength and Skill given his position, but that's pure speculation right there. But I believe that Theresa is a full hero, it's just she wasn't the main one for the story. Her destiny is completely different, but it still remains that she can utilize all three attributes if she wanted to. (Strength and Skill from living with Twinblade and obviously a natural inclination towards Will). But once again, speculation. Revolution Chick 15:39, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I may have gone a bit too far into genetic, I'm sorry. But "Hero plus none hero equals Half Hero" Doesn't make sence on a mythical level either. I still beleive that the three traits aren't that rare, or weren't when the Hero of Oakvale was around, using the examples of Thunder, Scarlet, and even Maze (he was able to block an arrow with his stave, which is pretty skillfull if you ask me). I do think the archon line is the most power, and they are all master of each and the most powerfull, but i think other Hero's are capable of learning the three traits, it just happens to be in the Archons blood. I mean Whisper Graduates the guild the same time as the Hero, I assume taking her Exams for the first time, and must pass all three tests. And hell if you were strong like Hammer or could shout like Reaver, would you both trying to learn the other traits? And Rose was a Hero. Lucien says in his study when they are in the barrier thing "You are Heros" Plural. It is just a shame Rose met a premature end. She could have been as powerfull as Theresa, or even Sparrow. I hope I'm making sence here. 86.137.99.239 20:18, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I don't believe in the Half Hero bit either. If that was true, then the Archon blood would be heavily diluted, making it even more impossible to inherit those natural abilities. If we have to move to genetics, it'd probably be a very dominant gene which can be persistent throughout the line regardless of having offspring with a 'non-hero'. Non-heroes can be taught all three most likely, but they aren't as powerful at it as a child of Archon who are naturally born with the power to do so. I'm sure the Guild offered lessons in all three, but I bet there were heroes who most likely wanted to learn one or two at the same time, opting against learning it all (it would take years and intense training to be at least semi-proficient at it, why not be the best at one attribute than mediocre in all three?) . Theresa, I believe is natural at the three attributes, but delves more deeply in the art of Will for obvious reasons. She may not have to use the other two ever again, but it's still available to her whenever she desires to use them---which is a stark contrast to other heroes who have to learn the other two instead. Revolution Chick 14:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, there is a lot of arguing here about whether all heroes are related or not, and I'm not here to judge who's right or wrong, but here is an opinion of mine. Before we bring in the advanced biology about who's a hero or not, there is one thing we should think about. What exactly is William Black? He was the first will user but how? It's obvious that heroic powers are inherited by blood, so were William's parents heroes as well? Was he adopted and was actually the abandoned child of some divine Albion deity who left him in the mortal world? William was the first immortal and his powers were infinitly greater than the Hero of Oakvale ( He destroyed the most powerful beings in the world and could through sheer will build cities in a matter of days!) He couldn't have been a plain old human and even so his kind could breed with humans? Is William a.k.a Scythe a man, a god or a hybrid called Hero? Oh and about the "All heroes belong to the same family thing". In the Tales of Albion it says the later Archons were pretty corrupt, right? I think the most of the Archons were a bunch of asses who went around and raped randow women, and that the their bloodlines were mixed with lots of people. So yeah, I think taht all heroes are related one way or another.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.125.123 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I suppose that science and the mystical can have a play in all this regarding William Black's sudden realization of power. His parents came from a line of people that defied the Court three times and survived. That's got to be a feat in itself. The Court had turned the world into fire and brimstone, raised the sea to drown everything, and practically mind raped the people until they surrendered. Perhaps the people who survived thrice from the Court slowly evolved to better adapt and survive these tyrannical rulers and, on a totally mythological level, became the pre-requisite to heroes who can use strength, skill, and will. It was William Black, however, that was able to tap into that potential, and defeat the Court. And because he trained and became highly proficient, this power would come easily to him and his bloodline. This would also become full circle to the idea that anyone can become a Hero because their own ancestors adapted to the Court's punishments. The difference is that the line of Archon had honed it and grew with it down the line, giving them the advantage and the 'other people' just didn't realize they had the potential and didn't use it or try. Revolution Chick 19:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Morality?Edit

It says that her morality would be "...Good but Corrupt". I get the whole benefit thing, but when she said the Spire is hers, I thought she meant so no one else would use it, not just as a home. Am I the only one who thinks it would be stated as Good but Neutral or Good and Pure? Maybe not pure, but not Corrupt. Jackass2009 05:41, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Corrupt part comes from how she will do anything it takes to do whats needed even if it means manipulating events or people. It is believed she started Lucien in his mad quest, and that she caused the death of the Abbot.--Alpha Lycos 06:51, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

No Morality Edit

Could it just be possible that she has no morality and like she states in see the the future that there are fixed point an she is merely assiting the paths that ensure they happen ~Shaman~ 19:26, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

This to me is most likely, even more so during Fable III. She does what needs to be done and doesn't bend any which way to make a good or bad outcome come out of it. She leaves the morality and the deeds to the Hero, whereas she simply points the way, with no moral compass. Dellcath 09:26, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I realize I'm commenting on a somewhat outdated topic, but still... I think Theresa does have morals, and that, at least in idealism, she follows the Good alignment. I say this because, in Fable II and III, she tends to praise purehearted actions and decisions (in Fable II, for instance, choosing Sacrifice in the Spire prompts her to call you "Albion's greatest Hero"; likewise, if you kept all your promises as king/queen in Fable III, she notes your high competence as a ruler and places particular emphasis on the fact that "you did it without becoming a tyrant"). She does not often chastise the Hero for Evil decisions, but nor does she seem to inherently condone or encourage them. Indeed, early on in Fable II, after killing Thag, you have the opportunity to sell two people into slavery, and if you do so, she pointedly says, "A few coins change hands, and their lives are forever changed for the worse. Is your heart really so hard?" (I'm paraphrasing here, but that's the gist of it.) Like the Guildmaster, Theresa recognizes that evil does exist in the world and that trying to force a person to be pure and good is, in its own way, evil; but also like him, she tends to encourage (or at least, doesn't discourage) good decisions while coldly assessing evil ones. She also recognizes that good AND evil decisions alike are merely means to an end, and that reaching that end is the important thing; even so, she still seems inclined toward good intentions.

There are, of course, a few incidents which particularly call her character into question. Her merciless and emotionless killing of the bandits in her childhood could be seen as evil; but it could also be seen as a blind little girl making the best of a bad situation and trying her hardest to stay both alive and sane. (Besides, she killed men who in turn stole from, raped, and murdered innocents, so in a way her killings could be seen as moral.) Her abandonment of Twinblade to his fate could also be seen as immoral; but it could also be seen as ambivalent, as the decision to spare or kill Twinblade would ultimately lie in the hands of her brother anyway, so it would be useless for her to try to sway his decision. Her killing of Palgan could be seen as coldblooded and evil, but it could also be seen as justified as he was trying to steal her powers (and may have either abandoned or killed her following the incident). In Fable II, her quote, "But the Spire… is mine. Now begone." is sometimes referenced as evidence for her evil personality and greed; but it could also be seen as a warning to the Hero of Bowerstone (who had just used the limitless energies of the Spire to bend reality itself) to not follow the same path as Lucien and attempt to take the Spire for selfish use, as well as a statement that they can afford to allow her ownership of one structure when "the [rest of] the world is [theirs] to enjoy." (Indeed, during the See the Future DLC, she seems much softer and cordial toward the Hero, telling them that she will always be watching over them and even once more calling them by their childhood name of Sparrow.) And in Fable III, her often-referenced decision to implicate Logan as a tyrant (when in reality he was in agony over his actions and had legitimate reasons for them) could be seen as callous and evil; it could, however, be seen as unavoidable. After all, if Theresa had told the Hero of Brightwall from the beginning that Logan had legitimate reasons for being a tyrant, the Hero may never have begun the revolution; Logan would not have been dethroned; a Hero would never have worn the crown; and Albion would have been consumed by the Crawler and become a colorless, lifeless waste.

With all this in mind, Theresa can be seen as a benevolent person; she is simply accepting of evil and is implacable when she feels a course must be taken. She is not purehearted, but nor is she evil or corrupt. 98.227.43.109 14:05, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Age Dispute Edit

I feel discussion of this issue would be better placed here rather than my talk page. Fable1,2,3 made reference to the first time visiting Wraithmarsh in Fable II when Theresa refers to the bandit attack on Oakvale taking place six hundred years ago as his support for Theresa's age being at least six hundred and fifty years old. While I do recall that, I always assumed that was due to her rounding up. The Hero of Oakvale can be as old as 65 when he defeats Jack of Blades (even though Theresa doesn't appear to age much at all since reaching adulthood) and six hundred years is much simpler to say than five hundred and sixty five.

The point Alpha Lycos and I both made when undoing the edit is that the officially confirmed passage of time between Fable and Fable II is five hundred years.

I hope that we can all discuss this issue maturely and reach an agreement on what number should be put in the article. -- geekie beekie(Talk) (User Space) 04:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


Sorry, didn't realise this was here as well. (I put this on the talk page, in an attempt to show how everyone could be correct.) So, try this: Fable is ~60 years long (the Hero is about 10 at the start, 65 at the end, add on 5 for TLC) and Fable II is ~20 years long (10 years in the Gypsy Camp, 10 years in the Spire). Take the bandit attack on Oakvale at time 0:
0: Bandit Attack on Oakvale
55: Battle with Jack of Blades (Chamber of Fate)
60: Battle with Jack of Blades (Northern Wastes)
560: Start of Fable II
570: Arrival at Spire
580: Arrival to Wraithmarsh
630: Fable III
Thus Fable II is 500 years after Fable, and the bandit attack is (almost) 600 years before you visit Wraithmarsh in Fable II. Theresa is then about 645 in pure Albion time, not taking into account discrepancies (positive or negative) caused by living in the slightly-removed plane that is the Spire. --Enodoc(Talk) (User Space) 21:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Immortality.Edit

So I don't know if this has been addressed yet and if it has please just disregard this, but I think that I have a semi-interesting theory on her seemingly immortal state, what if the body that we see Theresa in in Fable 2-3 isn't the same one from Fable 1, but a kind of vesel of her essence? I don't think that this is too far fetched in the universe of Fable. I also thought about the letter that you get from Rose if you choose the Love ending, about her being with who we assume to be Sythe? What he too uses vessels to remain immortal and has passed this on to Theresa to have atleast one person teaching/looking over the strongest Hero of their time. I also think that maybe Theresa is grooming Rose to become the next vessel, and I think that this fits like a glove in some respects because Theresa was the older sister of a powerful Hero, as was/is Rose, which I think would please Theresa.

Please leave your thoughts on this. Thanks :) Jay Valern (talk) 10:41, January 3, 2014 (UTC) 

I doubt it is a vessel as she has had the same body for at least 121 years, from the beginning of Fable II to the end of Fable: The Journey. Also she doesn't have immortality as such, more a form of longevity as she does die. Rose is confirmed, by Lionhead, to be with Scythe if she is revived, but since its player choice the canon of it has not been released, however Lionhead seems to favour the good Hero endings, which would mean Rose is dead. Scythe doesn't use vessels, his body is decayed from when he cast off the corruption, as revealed by Theresa in The Journey, thus making it more canon that he's got a single body from start to end. From all I've seen/read about the Archon bloodline, its not actual immortality that they seem to have, but merely a form of longevity allowing them to live longer then normal humans. If Theresa was using vessels, she'd need to replace it every so often as it'd wear down from its natural old age, if not sooner from the immense power her essence/soul would have.--Lycos Devanos Drop me a line 11:11, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflict That's a nice theory, not one that I've heard of before. You mention that Scythe passed on to Theresa the idea; that's what I was thinking as well, in a slightly different way. Assuming for a moment that it is the same body, then my theory goes like this:
Every member of the Archon bloodline has the potential to be immortal. Obviously Scythe/William Black was the first, and worked out how to do it. But only a limited number of his descendants also worked out how, either by direct teaching from him or by working it out themselves. Theresa must have found out the secret. --Enodoc(Talk) (User Space) 11:19, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks guys. Enodoc, you've added great ideas about Scythe which I didn't think about. And Lycos, thanks for pointing out some holes in my theory. 
Cheers guys. Jay Valern (talk) 23:49, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

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